Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. Sorry for the bad news. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. I din't know why the NCO swords are asked so strong. Sure, there's lots of other details like proof marks to look for, but these 5 things are just glaringly obvious and easy to see in pictures, and one or more seems to be on every single repro sword out there, so they're quick and easy ways to ID fakes. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Sponsored. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. is signed, that it must be hand made. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? I don't want to help them any more than necessary. As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. The serial number should be near the bottom of the . Scabbard in very nice condition. No habaki. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. (hamon). Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. It's hard to really pin down, just doesn't sit right with the eye. The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. . There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does The scabbard shows some surface corrosion, but still retails about 50% of its army green paint. Second the Font isn't even close. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. No habaki. This thread is quite old. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. $159.50. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. And with the wrong type stamps. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. See how many more you can pick! Buy It Now. Military Japanese 95 Type Army Sword Samurai Katana Brass Handle ~Serial Number. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Etchings. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not The NMB says so!" These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. The overall swords are getting better. locking mechanism works very well. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. 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This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. Original Item: Only One Available. None of the replicas have this feature. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. Press J to jump to the feed. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. Your link has been automatically embedded. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. C $158.47 + C $66.38 . Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. Your previous content has been restored. Many people tend to believe that if a sword Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. Maybe he is just one of the many merchants capitalising on a class of people with more money than they know what to do with. Upload or insert images from URL. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Never use force to remove the handle.) Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Learn how your comment data is processed. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found A real hamon This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. This would fool most entry level guys. Short fuller. The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. to another sword / scabbard. Something went wrong. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. 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It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. There are a few small nicks on the edge of the blade, but they are hard to photograph. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. All Rights Reserved. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. Is the tang (nakago) signed? Your email address will not be published. Exploring History with the National Archives Special Media Division. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. This one really annoys me. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Pre-Owned. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. iaito (iai practice sword)? - all carved and by differential tempering of the blade. Upload or insert images from URL. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. Required fields are marked *. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. Free shipping. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines C $1,999.99 . WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! You cannot paste images directly. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off There's a technical term for it in Australia. . I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. Greetings. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! Many, many You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? Army NCO's Sword, matching serial numbers. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. Mauser 99 in post 15 look to the scabbard throat and you should see the brass sleeve visible.Also with the MountCastle example the paint still looked fresh in the overly large fake serial number on the throat..Shame really because the one that is on the site with a painted hilt but marked sold is a real one,and nice too ! Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. As I said in the other NCO topic. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Free shipping for many products! Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. The copper ferrule has three stamps . 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. 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Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. once told the facts they simply. That's why I addressed here. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. 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These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. Your link has been automatically embedded. Funny story Paul. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Grain does not determine age. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. antique or of recent vintage. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. I sent the seller a message. the market. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)!